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TodCreasey | 27 Jan 2009 7:35 a.m. PST |
I have recently switched to Vallejo paints for painting 1/56 resin vehicles as I really like the flatter finish. I have been thinning it using Isopropyl Alcohol like I did with Tamiyas but I am finding that I am getting thick strands of paint from time to time. It is still spraying nicely (especially with a gravity feed) but it clogs up easily and is a messier cleanup. What is everyone else thinning with? | |
Photonred | 27 Jan 2009 8:06 a.m. PST |
I use future and water to thin my paints for airbrushing. | |
Regards | 27 Jan 2009 8:09 a.m. PST |
I've been thinning with water, but the regular Vallejo tend to separate a bit when using the airbrush. A friend of mine says that Vallejo has a range of paints for airbrushes and that they are very good. This link may help as it also has the color charts available. acrylicosvallejo.com I had no idea that the Vallejo regular paints were problematic for the air brushes until I painted a large number of vehicles last summer. It wasn't a total loss as I was looking for a real beaten up look, but if doing something that needs to be nice and uniform, I think these 'air model' paints is what you need. Erik | |
DeaconBlue | 27 Jan 2009 8:26 a.m. PST |
I've been using Golden airbrush medium and a little Liquitex ultra matte medium | |
Sundance | 27 Jan 2009 8:30 a.m. PST |
I just use straight water, in about a 50/50 or 40 paint/60 water combo. It took a little experimenting to get the mix right, but I usually have to put on two coats. | |
asanblan | 27 Jan 2009 10:38 a.m. PST |
Vallejo has a airbrush line, called ModelAir. In general, I have not achieved good results airbrushing Vallejo Model Colors, so I only use Tamiya thinned down with Isopropyl Alcohol. However, it´s said by the people who uses Vallejo in the airbrush that you should never use Isopropyl Alcohol with them. Just plain water or maybe, acrylic flow improver. | |
Luisito | 27 Jan 2009 11:11 a.m. PST |
Marc33594 | 27 Jan 2009 12:22 p.m. PST |
I must agree, the regular Vallejo Model Color line really is optimized for brush work. Their Model Air line is specially formulated for spray and are used straight from the bottle with your airbrush. Many of the Model Color's are duplicated in the Model Air line. | |
Steve W | 27 Jan 2009 2:52 p.m. PST |
I've always mixed mine with Meths(proffesional airbrusher told me to do this even with acrylics), bit smelly but works really well for me | |
Tiberius | 27 Jan 2009 3:18 p.m. PST |
'Isopropyl Alcohol like I did with Tamiyas' Tamiya paints are an old style acylic paint. Vallejo like Derivan MiNi is a more modern formula. You thin with water, there is no need for Isopropyl Alcohol. For air brushing I suggest making a thinner using 9 parts water and 1 part surface tension breaker. Use this to thin the Vallejo paint to the desired consistency. The surface tension breaker will improve the flow of the paint. | |
Jovian1 | 27 Jan 2009 4:08 p.m. PST |
I'd mix your alcohol with some airbrush thinner from Golden in a 50/50 mix to thin the paint to the desired consistency that should give you a good mix which still dries very fast. The problems with mixing with water to thin or any of the other additives is they do not dry as fast. The best option is to purchase their line of airbrush paint as it works extremely well and most colors are matched between the lines. | |
Daryl G | 29 Jan 2009 1:02 p.m. PST |
Daryl G | 29 Jan 2009 1:03 p.m. PST |
Oppps. misread what you said, only heard bad comments regarding Vallejo airbrush paints. | |
Marc33594 | 29 Jan 2009 2:20 p.m. PST |
Daryl; Almost all the 1/35 scale armor folks are indeed raving about mixing the Tamiya acrylics with the Tamiya Laquer thinner! They say far superior to the Tamiya acrylic thinner for airbrush work. | |
Syrinx0 | 31 Jan 2009 8:51 p.m. PST |
Bad things about the Model Air line or thinning the Model Color line for airbrushing? I am using the Model Air line, about 10 different colors so far, and rather like it. My skill level may be a bit low but the paints seem fine. |
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Innocent SDF-1 Bridge Bunny | Been having trouble with this stuff. When i mix it with Vallejo Thinner Medium, it tends to work.. mostly okayish. But that stuff is expensive, so I;ve been trying to thin using mineral spirits or isopropyl alcohol as well. And, well.. sometimes it works, but mostly it doesnt. Mostly it clogs up the airbrush or some other nonsense, and I have to take it apart to clean out the gunk. So does anyone have any tips? | |
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Fresh-Faced New User | Liquitex Airbrush medium and distilled water work best for me. Alcohol and Vallejo tent to be a bad combo. | |
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Longtime Dakkanaut | happened to me too. wastes so much time. i tried every thinner imaginable. its not the thinner its the paint. the dropper bottles are good at squeezing out little bits of dried paint. i prefer pots. iv had bottles of vallejo that doesnt stick to the model, it just slides around and takes forever to dry. they put too much flow improver i think. the only thing that might help is straining the paint through a nylon stocking. then try spraying some citadel base paint and see what youve been missing - godly stuff. | |
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker |
I've been doing research on Airbrushes/paints/accessories, and on Vallejo's site they actually say SOME game color paints can be used in an airbrush, but not all. Here's the section from Vallejo's site(I in no way accept credit for this, all rights to '© Acrylicos Vallejo, S.L. 2012') If you've been using game color, this next section makes perfect sense to your problem. 4.6. Can I use Game Color in an airbrush? These colors were not developed for airbrushing, and you would find that the formula of Game Color will dry too quickly in the airbrush; we recommend Model Air, which has been especially created for air brushing. | |
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Drop Trooper with Demo Charge | Well, if you havent tried it try windex. A note of WARNING though. if you use windex you need a HEPA mask. there is amonia in the cleaner and can cause health issues. There is windex crystal too, which has no amonia, but i have not tried it in my paints so i cant vouch for its reliability. I use the thinner medium from vallejo, it works great with GW paints too. i go about a 1:1 on it. i would personally eat the cost if it works. IMHO | |
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Hardened Veteran Guardsman | Issue with paint drying can be resolved through a variety of means, like an extender solution. Vallejo can be used in Airbrush, but every paint has it's qualities and each has to be diluted by different solutions. Experimentation and research. Just like in hand brushing, each paint (and by that I mean each COLOUR) has it's own qualities. These are magnified in an airbrush. The only paint I know that should never ever be used in airbrush is GW skull white. The rest can be managed with proper dilution. | |
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Trustworthy Shas'vre | I mix dropper paints in airbrushing all the time. Try golden or liquitex airbrush medium, or windex, as suggested. I prefer the 'golden' brand, but many like the liquitex. As far as its cost..I use about a thimble worth every time I use it..so its not a lot (or much less). How much is your time and energy worth? | |
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine | thinning your paint with alcohol makes it dry faster so you will have paint drying on your tip like every 10 seconds! you can thin your thinner with water like 1:3 and put it in a larger container ofc but that works pretty well.. something that you can also use is wet water, which is water with a much lower surface tension.. or just prepare a large container with water and just 2 or 3 drops of dish washing soap.. again, dont use windex, alcohol or something like that because while it makes your paint dry faster on the model it also makes the paint dry faster in your airbrush! | |
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Crafty Clanrat | I was just watching a video by Les Bursley who paints mostly with VGC paints and he mentioned that his thinner of choice is a mix of acrylic matte medium, distilled water and a tiny bit of flow improver. I didn't quite catch the quantities but it was something like 3 parts matte medium and 1 part distilled water/flow improver mix (which was 10-1 water/flow improver). He mentioned it in his video where he goes over his workspace and tools. Haven't tried it myself yet though.. | |
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine |
just distilled water and flow improver will work just fine | |
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Boosting Ultramarine Biker | I use Game color and model color with windex with no issues at all. I also use Reaper, GW, and even craft paint too. Put a drop of your thinner in first, then paint, then more thinner. Stirring with a brush is needed too. I can spray it right down to 10 psi with a .35 needle. | |
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine | .35 is pretty big.. But believe me when i say that windex is for cleaning airbrushes not for thinning them. The blue teint aside it is an ammonia based product. Excellent for cleaning but as said in a previous post when using it to thin your paints it makes them dry faster on a model (which could be considered a pro) but it also makes it dry faster on your airbrush. You can contact any airbrush company for this to verify | |
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Swift Swooping Hawk | Take an empty bottle and make your own thinner mix. Say 20% alcohol and 80% distilled water. That's what I did in the beginning. NEVER use Windex that has ammonia in an airbrush. If you use Windex make sure it is ammonia free. | |
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Esteemed Veteran Space Marine |
lol no alcohol!! it will make the paint dry quicker which there is no need for because it already dries quickly on your model because you are using an airbrush! plus the alcohol will make the paint dry on your needle tip and inside your nozzle quicker! if you buy a 60ml vallejo thinner and a 250ml container and pour all your thinner in there and fill the bottle up with distilled water or preferably 'wet water' your good to go.. you can even add some flow aid to PREVENT the paint from drying on your needle tip | |
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Sorry if this is posted elsewhere, I did search and check the sidebar but didn't find anything.
I want to start painting miniatures - haven't done it in a long time (~15 years) so I'm starting over supply-wise. I've decided (for various reasons) to go with Vallejo paints. Right now I'm trying to decide between Game Color and Model Color.
I've read in a few places that Model Color lays down better but is perhaps less durable (but that issue is alleviated with a varnish). What I'm more interested in is the color choices. Primarily, how accurate is this color conversion chart?
I'm actually not concerned about matching GW colors, but I don't want to buy both Pale Flesh and Light Flesh if they really are the same color. For the Vallejo colors listed here, how accurate is this chart, and if you had to choose one vs the other which would you choose and why? Is there a reason to have both?
I'm especially interested in the various flesh tones: Dead Flesh vs Deck Tan, Dwarf Flesh vs Dark Rose, Bronze Flesh vs Dark Flesh, Filthy Brown vs Medium Flesh, etc.
Download dragon ball xenoverse for pc. These will be used on gaming minis - think games like Blood Rage, Zombicide, Kingdom Death, Reaper Bones, Specter Ops, Wrath of Kings, etc. I'll probably end up going Game Color for the less neutral colors (reds, yellows, blues, etc) as I hear they are more vibrant but I don't mind having some Game Color and some Model Color.
I've seen lots of article/videos where people compare Vallejo to other brands, but not much in comparison between the different Vallejo lines, especially with colors that are 'equivalent'. If anyone has any thoughts or resources I'd appreciate it.
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